I used to go to the theater a lot - but that was before. Now it's expensive, and I have no time for it. So, I try to focus on movies bound to provide a guaranteed satisfaction - in my case, blockbusters, and in particular, Marvel movies. Although I'm not a fan of super heroes and didn't like the first movies when they came out, they provide a good level of entertainment, and I like the growing interconnection between the different productions. Also, when I venture into a movie that is not a Marvel (say, the recent Batman), I often end up disappointing and feeling like I wasted my time utterly (seriously, I almost left the seance midway).
Because I feel bored I will provide my personal ranking of the Phase IV movies so far.
1) The Eternals
I already expressed my liking for this movie. It has honestly many flaws (a lot of circumvolutions in the scenario are pointless). But I enjoyed that it had the dimension of a true epic. It was a bit more pompous than the usual Marvel movie (more akin to the DC vein in this regard), but it was really fitting, and there were still bits of humor here and there. I honestly didn't realize I liked it that much until, several months later, I find myself still mumbling over it. It also has virtually no connection to the rest of the MCU. This is my favorite of the new batch by far, and pretty close to be one of my all-time favorites MCU movies.
2) Black Widow
I never understood why the Black Widow was an Avenger. She came out of nowhere, she has no super powers, and she is basically useless most of the time. I didn't expect much out of the movie. But I thought it was really, really fun. The dynamics between the different characters were really enjoyable. The character of the father was curiously likable. That they don't have devastating abilities made for more interesting and punchy action scenes - fewer flashes of color, more blows, bruises, and pew-pew moments. It's fundamentally inessential to the MCU, but weirdly really fun.
3) Black Panther: Wakanda Forever
I ha =d enjoyed the first Black Panther, but it was not among my favorite entries of the MCU. Despite the very fun setting, and the pretty good scenario (I don't mind if it's absolutely classical), I felt the final action sequences were too long and not interesting enough. Wakanda Forever brings in a new whole faction in the MCU, and this is fun, but their world is underdeveloped (mostly, Avatar-like people living underwater). What is more, you see very little of Wakanda itself, which was most of the fun of the first movie. I think you see the same "market harbor" three times, and two identical shots of the capital city. Anyway, they handled pretty gracefully Chadwick Boseman sad passing, and the new character lead was quite good. She didn't have the same charisma, but she was not supposed to, and they played a lot on that difference in a clever way. I felt it was more like her own character than "Jane Thor" in Thor, who acted like Thor as soon as she got the mantle.
The story starts well, with a good wealth of diplomatic conundrums, which I love. The second part of the movie is more on rails, and a bit boring at times, despite the attempt to offer an epic final battle which didn't feel as epic as it should have been. Still, I found the aesthetics much better than in Shang-Chi, but also the movie was less fun overall (it's surprisingly serious for a Marvel movie), which is not something that matters to me (The Eternals is probably the least fun on this whole list). Black Widow has a much weaker setting and story, but it was shorter, and I loved the family comedy element.
In the end, my main gripe is that the movie was probably too long for what is, (plus, not enough of the Wakanda setting and an under-developed underwater world), but I'm happy with it, and I enjoyed quite a lot the lead character.
4) Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings
This one felt pretty similar to Black Widow in that it revolves more than often around the scars of a disjointed family. But it felt more clumsy, lengthy, and the CGI leaned more insistently into kitsch. It was an OK entertainment but still feels retrospectively like a mish-mash of scenes and moments that don't merge into a bigger whole. The "Fantasy Chinese" world also felt a bit silly and forced, and I wish it had been more efficient at giving me a sense of wonder.
5) Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness
Halfway into the movie, as I was feeling that "something felt off", I suddenly realized: "Oh, but yes! It's from Sam Raimi! I'm not watching a Marvel movie, but a Sam Raimi one!". In a way, it's nice that the artistic inclinations of a director can surface during a massive production that goes through what I guess is a good many executive boards or whatever. On the other hand, it felt a bit "overly Raimi", as if he had underlined with too thick a marker the most distinctive traits of his style. There were also too many colored flashes exchanged between the characters, which were, as a rule, too powerful. Wanda didn't get a very interesting treatment and she really felt one-dimensional and repetitive during the whole movie, which is a shame after we spent a good time with her in WandaVision. I'm also not a fan of Strange as a character, even though I had enjoyed the first movie for its outstanding visual effects. This movie also made me realize that I think the Multiverse is a boring and lazy scenaristic device to endlessly rehash the same fan-pleasing tropes and multiply the Easter Eggs.
6) Spider-Man: No Way Home
Speaking of which... Spider-Mand: No Way Home is a side-by-side accumulation of Easter Eggs as you revisit all previous Spider-Man movies. However, these may be the best part of the movies, the silly interactions between the different Spider-Man interactions providing the most entertainment. The rest of the movie is diving into the ridicule, the new Mary Jane, which was lively and mischievous in the previous movies, is now insipid and nothing but a stooge for Peter Parker. Some of the "humor" moments fell embarrassingly flat (e.g. when they all laugh out loud because Dr. Octopus has a silly name). The death of the aunt was overly melodramatic. It just felt like a very tired movie - something like an excuse to finally set up the All-In Spider-Man party that everyone but me basically wanted apparently.
7) Thor: Love and Thunder
What is this movie doing at the bottom of this list? I still wonder. Thor: Ragnarok was one of my favorite Marvel movies, fully taking advantage of the narrative resources offered by the ever-growing MCU. Yet, Love and Thunder disappointed me in the first five minutes. The tone was simply off, trapped into caricature every time it attempted to make a point. Do you want to be a social critic, or do you want to be a parody? The movie simply doesn't know and end up as being a parody of a social critic - something not fun, that want to carry the same kind of messages as the darker DC, with the self-obliviousness and lack of seriousness of a Marvel.
And it keeps getting worse. Thor, by the end of the Infinity War, ended up in the crew of the Guardians of the Galaxy. This was a golden opportunity to have some good fun on screen, and to foster interesting relationships between different character thread lines. Except the movie ditched the Guardians of the Galaxy very soon, never to be seen again. Thor then pursues a solitary path, re-hashing the meaningful moments of the previous three Thor movies, and blissfully ignoring the rest of the MCU. He's back at being an arrogant prick. When Natalie Portman, as teased from the earliest moments of this movie promotion campaign, takes up the Thor's mantle (or rather a hammer), she starts acting completely out of character, treating the hero job as a costume party and more preoccupied about the best catchphrase to say when beating a villain than about actually saving the world. I think Taika Waititi wants very badly to show you that he is far beyond and above the super-hero stuff, to the point that he treats every single aspect of the movie as a joke to mock with too forced a laugh. The Valkyrie character, which proved a leading figure in the third installment, is here to enrich the background. The stone guy keeps telling annoying jokes or silly songs.
Even worse! The movie becomes completely inconsistent with the previous MCU movies. One of the McGuffin is an entity named Eternity that can grant a wish to whoever ask. The villain wants to use it to fulfill some sinister purpose, and the heroes need to stop them as always. And at this point I just ask: wait wait wait... If there was something so powerful that everyone apparently knew about, why Thanos didn't bother finding Eternity to reduce the universe's population in half, instead of going through all the pain of collecting the seven Infinity stones? And why did Thor never come up with this solution when they were all mourning about their defeat? You just can't introduce something so powerful all of a sudden without collapsing the consistency of what has been built so far. You also realize that the heroes can rely on an impressive set of instant teleportation items that can carry them anywhere in the whole universe in a snap. This adds up to the complete sense of disbelief, but hey, remember, nothing is for serious!
Add to this battle scenes that are all identical and almost a copy-paste of the epic endscene of Ragnarok, three (!) exposition sequences to remind you what had happened in the previous movies, dumb jokes repeated over and over (screaming goats), and overall a sheer lack of subtlety. It's boring (I can't count how many people ended up watching their phones during the movie, however rude it is), it's dumb, it's nonsensical. This movie is simply a disaster, one of the worst installments in the whole MCU. It bodes ill for Phase IV which has not found consistency and purpose yet.
Wakanda Forever was available on Disney+, so I immediately got in front of the tv. What can I say...
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Disappointed. 😕
Still ill. Finished watching Moon Knight. Never read those comics, so was in for a big surprise. Really good series, I'd like there to be a second season. Do they do that? Or is everything one-off?
I was down with the flu this week, so lots of time to catch up again. Thor: Love and Thunder worse than sitting out a Guns & Roses album. And I had to do that simultaneously anyway, because of the soundtrack. I really hate "dumb Thor". I kind of liked Jane Thor, but she couldn't save the movie.
Then I watched the Hawkeye series. Very straightforward and enjoyable. Good to see Yelena as well 👍🏻
Last night I payed to view Spider-Man: No Way Home on a streaming service. I really enjoyed it. Looks like you and I have almost opposite reactions to the movies in Phase 4. 😁 I probably have just the amount of immaturity they aim for this year.
I finally finished watching the She-Hulk series. Well, that was weird.
I mean, it obviously wasn't very good. It had a few good jokes, and a lot of mediocre ones. But it was kind of interesting. I think? Best not to think about it too long I guess.
I finally started watching some of these movies on Disney+. I had planned for just one, Eternals. But I was so very bored after an hour, that I gave up and switched to Dr Strange and the Multiverse of Madness. That was good fun. I am going to finish watching Eternals another time, as I can't stand having seen only half a movie, or having read only half a book. This is a character flaw that has caused me to waste more time than any person should in this one life we get.
I've added an entry for Thor: Love and Thunder.
Clearly I didn't like it but this was somehow balanced by the Kamala Khan show (Miss Marvel) which was really entertaining and enjoyable.
Thor: Ragnorok is your favorite? I have to see it now. I can’t tell you what my favorite Marvel film is. Probably the most impactful was X-Men… and that was mainly because a friend of mine got me into it so many years ago as a kid. Plus I used to play it on Sega Genesis! If there is any hope for Noir films in your life, I remember watching LA Confidential and loving it. It had a killer cast: Kevin Spacy, Guy Pierce, Russel Crowe, and Kim Basinger. This was a while back, though (1997) so I cannot even tell you if it would stand the test of time (For me, anyway).
I am actually interested in all of the films you mentioned in your list, except for Spider man. For some reason I have completely lost interest in him these days, why, I don’t know. I was “amazed” by the amazing spider man as a kid, now Not so much.
Shang-Chi looks like he brings something new and fresh to the table, and Dr. Strange seems just weird enough for me to try. I’d also like to give The Punisher a spin now that Disney+ will supposedly be reviving the show. Again: time is everything. I still struggle to squeeze in a board game here or there let alone all of these great movies and shows! The greatest joy in life is compiling a list of all the things I would “like“ to do… then slowly but surely making my way there. It’s the journey that counts, surely! If I completed everything in a day I would have to start all over again with something new! I like having an insurmountable list. Gives me something to look forward to everyday!
Nice post, Zerbique! I am so out of the loop as my wife and I stopped watching marvel films years ago. We ”did” watch Guardians of the Galaxy, and that was pretty cool, but I’ve just lost interest in the genre. I was a fan of X-Men to some extent while growing up, so the first couple of movies they made of them were a lot of fun for me. So, let’s see, to sum it up:
We watched Iron Man 1&2
Thor
Green Lantern
Guardians of the Galaxy
Spider Man 1,2,3
Deadpool
Captain America
X-Men 1-3, all three of the Wolverine Series, and First Class (that did it for me)
So, technically, my buddy told me to watch all the Marvel films “before” I watched Avengers (which is what we were really aiming for: the icing on the cake, so to speak) so I could get the maximum benefit from the interlocking story. To my wife’s credit she is always on board, but I seem to be experiencing some kind of superhero fatigue.
On the DC side, I loved the first Wonder woman, as well as the just about all the Batman films, aside from a select few. Christian Bale’s Dark Knight was exceptionally well done, as well as all of Micheal Keaton’s films. Batman Forever was great, too. Then, there’s 2022’s The Batman…
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Ok, where do I start… I liked Robert Pattinson, Jeffrey Wright, John Turturro and Colin Farrell’s roles… that’s it. If I am missing something please let me know. I mean, the film was dark, something I am generally ok with, but dark to the point of silly for me. The Riddler was an over the top psychopath that was borderline creepy like some whacko you would see when you turn on the news. I mean this was the Riddler for goodness sakes! Cory Michael Smith played a wonderful Edward Nygma on the tv series Gotham. There was even a nice story arc detailing his descent into villainy. Although I wasn’t a real fan of the show, I can appreciate the amount of work done in trying to bring these characters to life.
In a big budget hollywood film like The Batman, time is limited, so why not try to make the characters stand out in a way that makes them exceptional. Everyone, I mean “everyone” in that film was so gloomy and depressing they made me (GloomKnight!) annoyed, rather than evoke any sort of real emotion. I simply couldn’t wait for it to be over...
Hopefully the next installment will see an improvement.